Conservative radio talk show host Larry Elder, talks to his supporters at a rally in Norwalk, on July 13, 2021. Elder announced his bid as a recall candidate for governor of California. Pablo Unzueta for CalMatters

The California recall election is just over a month away and four Republican candidates met for their first debate this week. 

Two campaign veterans, Garry South and Rob Stutzman, join the podcast to chew over the debate, and the overall recall election as a whole. South previously worked for Democratic governor Gray Davis, who was recalled in 2003, and Rob Stutzman served as a spokesman for Republican Arnold Schwarnzegger — who beat out Davis in that election.

Kim Nalder, a political science professor at Sacramento State University, also speaks with Nicole and Nigel about a growing push to change how recalls are conducted in California, and what it would take to change those rules.

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